threesixty
1:28 Thu Mar 19
Re: Benitez
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He's a good manager. But he's a cheque book manager. That's my only problem with him. He's like Mancini. His results are directly proportional to how much he spends.
I dont think he's a coach that can solve problems without a cheque book. Thats where Howe, Pardew, Rodgers etc.. even Mourinho are better.
If we don't have a great budget he wont get us anything.
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Sven Roeder
1:27 Thu Mar 19
Re: Benitez
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Yes. Yes I do.
Just saying that some winners of major prizes appear to have had more luck than talent.
Say someone like Djimi Traore
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Trevor B
1:18 Thu Mar 19
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Sven you do understand that winning the lotto is a game of chance and anyone can win, winning the champions league requires some talent. Weird analogy mate.
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Russ of the BML
1:17 Thu Mar 19
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One McAvennieeeeee 1:12 Thu Mar 19
Good point.
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Sarah Ballpalsy
1:17 Thu Mar 19
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I honestly think they haven't made their minds up yet.
And that is a big factor in thinking that if they do get rid they'd go for another of his ilk like Moyes.
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Sven Roeder
1:15 Thu Mar 19
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I think Benitez is a decent manager but I always think the description of him as a Champions League winning manager is like talking about someone who wins Lotto as a financial expert.
Why is it that ALL the recent English Champions league wins against foreign teams ( Liverpool v Milan, Chelsea v Bayern, Man U v Bayern) were absolute travesties of justice that were beyond belief?
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stewie griffin
1:14 Thu Mar 19
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Do you think they do?
I know Brady does, but wasn't sure about Sullivan. Seems to think managers are ten-a-penny
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One McAvennieeeeee
1:12 Thu Mar 19
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I think it's a bigger 9 games for the owners. I still think they want to keep him and if we get above 50 points it gives them justification.
If we have a poor finish, they will come in for some stick if they keep him.
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stewie griffin
1:09 Thu Mar 19
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Annoyingly, agree with every word of that
Think its a massive (MASSIVE) 9 games til the end of the season. It's as friendly a run-in as we'll get, and if we were to finish strongly, I don't see any way he won't be here. 50 points + is a very decent improvement, and he could feel hard done by not getting an extension on the back of it.
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One McAvennieeeeee
1:00 Thu Mar 19
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I honestly don't know. I swing one way then the other.
He probably DESERVES another contract because on paper and in black and white he's delivered. But Football is more than that for me and I still get the idea he think's he's doing us a favour. I hate the fact he's never 'got' the club or tried to get on with the supporters. The Football doesn't even bother me to be honest, it's all the other stuff.
I think he's solely to blame for how our season has gone. When riding high and surprising people he couldn't wait to revert to type. For me you push your luck until it actually runs out. That's what seperates the good from the average.
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isolated hammer
12:57 Thu Mar 19
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Benitez or Moyes? Pro's and cons with both. But Benitez is
head and shoulders above Moyes with his standing and reputation in the game. Benitez has a proven track record wherever he has been and out of the two, would convince
better players to come to West Ham than Moyes would.
Not many Managers have won the Champions League compared with the number of managers in Europe as a whole. So to be linked with one and consider approaching him gets a big thumbs up from me.
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stewie griffin
12:54 Thu Mar 19
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One McAvennieeeeee 12:45 Thu Mar 19
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If - for arguments sake - we were to finish the season well, what would be YOUR take on it, SON?
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Spandex Sidney
12:54 Thu Mar 19
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Russ of the BML 10:20 Thu Mar 19
Bang on.
I still cannot see Moyes as an improvemnt on Sam, based on his record. He done at Everton what Sam did at Bolton basically and has done nothing since in terms of overachievement.
De Boer is an interesting idea, I'd prefer Rafa simply because he has more experience in the Prem and his constant out thinking of Mourinho. I think Sullivan would probably prefer Rafa over Bielsa or De Boer simply because of his Prem experience.
I'd love Eddie Howe, just can't see it happening. But I can see him at a big club in a few years after some Prem experience.
Sullivan has improved the quality of the players we buy and I hope he applies that ethic to recruitment of the next manager. I see no reason, given the TV money and the new ground that he can't get a someone like a Rafa or Bielsa, We can afford £4m a year wages no problem and that puts us amongst the top 7/8 managers in the world. They just need to want to come and fancy the challenge of turning us into a European side.
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Sarah Ballpalsy
12:53 Thu Mar 19
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Could be Russ although when I say Now is the time I mean end of season as De Boer won't leave mid way through a season anyway. But you're right we wouldn't know if discussions have taken place.
That said from things said by the owners in the past, if we do change which i'm not convinced we will, I think they will go for someone with prem experience. My gut says they will choose a safety first approach or what they see as a safe option and will try for Moyes.
Or stick with Allardyce as they see him as guarnteeing Prem status, which, looking at his record you can understand.
Not exciting, not what most fans want, but with bigger TV money on the horizon, for their investment, Prem survival is the be all and end all.
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One McAvennieeeeee
12:45 Thu Mar 19
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I still think our current Manager will be in charge next season.
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Russ of the BML
12:43 Thu Mar 19
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Sarah Ballpalsy 12:38 Thu Mar 19
"With De Boer I think now is the time to act."
Couldn't agree more. But the board are in a difficult position.
Behind the scenes they may be compiling a list of targets but doing so in secret so as not destablise the current management set up. Fair enough.
They may have already made their mind up on not renewing SA's contract but can't really act on seeking another manager yet.
You never know it could already be set up to go but you, I and the whole world are not yet privvy to that?
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Sarah Ballpalsy
12:38 Thu Mar 19
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Yeah I take your point. I think my criticism of the board is that thay have a plan, a bit like their 10 point plan which covers the thning you rightly mention but their appointment of managers go against that plan.
Is that the fault of the manager? possibly, but I think it is more down to the people appointing someone without the skills to fulfill the plan.
I think most agree that De Boer would be a great appointment as one that could start us on the road of fullfilling that plan.
For me personally I don't see Benitez or Moyes as that sort of manager - albeit both better than what we have.
With De Boer I think now is the time to act. I can see him moving to another country soon and after that he will be on the radar of bigger, richer and more successful clubs than us, if he isn't already and we won't have a sniff of getting him. Right now we do, I think we are an attractive prospect for a man like him at his stage of career right now.
Do i think our owners are of the mentality to go for a man like him? Gut says sadly not.
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Russ of the BML
12:21 Thu Mar 19
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Sarah Ballpalsy 10:49 Thu Mar 19
So I sort of think you are saying the board would employ a manager and basically give them free reign to take the club in whichever direction suits their own style.
I disagree. A manager is always employed with a brief based on a vision or direction.
So for example, very basic, but if the board want a manager to come in it may be based on the vision set with the following targets:
On field:
European qualification
Full committment to domestic cups
Attacking / Passing style
Off field:
Develop / Adapt transfer policy
Full committment to youth policy / set up
So the board and manager then discuss this and decide how and when this can be done and set up targets etc. If they employ him and he doesn't do what he is asked to do then he gets sacked. I mean, you can't just have a manager come in do exactly what they like. They have to have targets, key performance indicators etc etc.
You mention De Boer who, for me, would also be a great appointment.
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terry-h
12:11 Thu Mar 19
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Yes from me, if only because it would piss off the walrus to be replaced by the highest paid Spanish waiter in the whole wide world.
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Russ of the BML
12:09 Thu Mar 19
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stewie griffin 10:37 Thu Mar 19
Valencia wanted La Liga and had slipped to fifth before Benitez turned up. They then went on to win it. I agree with what you say though, Valencia, were a great side when he turned up. I'll give you that.
And I also think all your other points about him are very valid. He isn't as hot property as he used to be and much of his success was a while ago. I suppose looking at his CV it's a no brainer but you do raise some genuine concerns.
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